Examination of Walter Bagnall

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<A> The Examinacion of Collonell Walter Bagnall of Donleckny in the County of Catherlogh Esquire aged 36 years or therabouts taken the 19th day of August 1652
Being examined, he saith, that he lived att Donleckny in the County of Catherlogh, att the tyme when the Rebellion broke forth & 5 or 6 years befor, and that befor & att the tyme of the breaking forth of the Rebellion he was in Comission for the Conservacion of the Peace; & saith that ne about Michaelmes 1641 he broke vpp houskeeping for 2 monthes or therabouts m o re or less, & since that tyme hath had noe certayn place or abode but his most certayne & contenued Residence was att Donleckny:
Hee further saith that about January 1641 that the gentry of the County of Catherlogh assembling together did choose & appoynt <B> Sir Morgan Kavanogh & him this Examinant to be Governors for the County of Catherlogh, but whither they had any Comission in wryting from the said Gentry he remembreth not, and that the Lord of Mountgarratt was chosen by the said Assembly to command in cheife, but he knoweth not of any comission the said Lord MountGarrat had in wryting from them; neither had he any from the said Lord Mount Garratt that he remembreth, he further saith that about 2 monthes befor that tyme he entred & took possession of the ffort of Laughlyn by direccion from the Lord of Ormond who sent to his servant then residing ther to deliuer vp the possession thereof vnto {this} Examinant; and thervpon soon after he this examinant app{ointed?} <C> one Butler [ ] of the County o{f} Tipperary when he [ ] his { } to com{and}

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the said ffort in his absence, wher he continued 2 moneths or therabouts, and after that this Exa{minant} <D> appointed his Brother Henry Bagnall, and Charles Dempsie who he appointed Leiftenant to his said brother Henry Bagnall: to comand the said ffort wher they continued till the about the later end of March;
<E> Being demanded what was the first service he did aft{er he} was made Governor, he saith he went to the seidge of Catherlogh, with whom ther ioyned Sir Morgan Kavano<ghe> & the gentlemen of that County, & saith that having noe pay established for the payment of ther soldiers, they mayne English having deserted ther howses & holdings & leaving ther corne & Cattle behind them which being taken by the Comon people were rescued from them and that was assigned for the maynetenince of ther soldiers:
Being demaunded who furnished him & his soldiers with armes & amunicion, he saith the Countrey furnished them with armes & he sent his servannt to Galloway wher he payd 30 li. ster for 20 pownd of powther. being demaunded what yssue they had att the seidge att Catherlogh he saith that through <F> the failer of Thomas Davells of the Queens County Esquire and Robert Harpool who promised to assist him, & block it vpp on that side the Barrow they failed of taking the said Castle, & leaving Captain James Byrne to mayntayne the seidge on the towne side, Sir Morgan Kavanogh & this Examinant drew off ther men & this examinant marched hence with his party, and within a short tyme after this examinant drew his men against loghgrenan, & somoned the same, which w{as ref}used, being mayntayned by 40 servants of Sir Arthur

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Loftus and saith that after the refusall of the somons they made some shoet with a gun that they had planted ther <G> but doing not prevayling they drew off, and after that ther Sir Morgan Kavanogh & this examinante appointed an assembly of the gentry of the County att Laughlyn wher they altered deferred a former designe to Ballilynan vpon intercepcon of a letter going from the Lady Butler to her sister Att Burrowes in Ossory beseigd whereby they vnderstood her cleerly to be ther Enemy <h> wherevpon they sent a somons twice by Mr James Allen of Lincardstowne & Mr Bryan Byrne to Sir Thomas Butler & his said Lady Butler intimating that they vnderstood by the lettres as aforesaid & that they were fortifieing them selues against them; yett if they would slight their fortificacons, yeild vpp ther armes & giue assurance they would act nothing preiudiciall against them, they should enioy the like freedome with them which was twice refused, and thervpon they drew vpp ther foot, fired the gate, and was ready to force the howse, when the said lady came & craved <I> quarter which was graunted, and they entred into the said howse & gave gave part of the pillage therof to the{} soldiers and the remaynder left under the guard of soldiers appointed by this examinant & Sir Morgan which being demanded wha what became of the said Ladyes Cattle, he saith his men recouered 7 oxen from Sir Morgan Kavanoghe men, which he had & gaue afterwards to Charles Dempsie, and that he brought away the Coach which he putt into the bawne of Laughlyn wher it stood till it rotted being Demaunded what became of Sir Thomas Butler & his lady he saith that they were brought fr{om} Rathhelyn to Laughlyn, where they continu{ed a} fortnight or 3 weeks, and he himself conti{nued} ther about a week or more till the Lord of O{rmond} advance towards Athye as he remembreth

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<K> and further saith that he afterwards gaue order for convoying <hand> the said Sir Thomas Butler & his Lady to Kilkeny; Being demanded what English people were in Rathely att the tyme of surprisall thereof he saith a Minister whose name he knoweth not, neither doth remember any other English person that was ther;
Being demanded whether he knew Richard Lake att Laughlyn he saith, he remembreth that he hath seen such a man being further asked whither he knew or heard the said Lake with other English protestants which were to be convoyd from Laughlyn to Duncannon he saith that he believeth that he heard of some sent away by a Convoy but by what orders he knoweth not he is certayne by noe order from him; for that he was not in the country being further asked what became of the said men persons, he replieth that he lately heard that some of them were putt to death & saith that for Lakes death he heard nothing of it but within this year to his remembrance
Being further demanded what he knoweth concerning a woman & a child that was cast out of a Cott & drownd att Laughlyn he saith that he heard of such a thing & made enquiry after it, but could not find not find out the party that did it, being further asked if that the said party were not after taken & imprisoned for the same & released without punishment, he saith he knoweth noe such thing neither that he was afterwards admitted as a soldier vnder his comaund: to his remembrance
Being demanded if William Lilly were not formerly a servaunt of his, he saith he was, & parted from his service vnknowne to him befor the battle att Ross, but afterwards he was taken att the battle of Ross hee was and brought from thence to Tinihinch and ther hanged as he heard, but that he this examinant himself was not then present
Being asked what became of the English protestantes that were taken att Gowran & Wells he saith he knoweth not,
Being asked if he knew what became of John Stone & the rest of the English living in Graige, he saith that after the battle of Kilrush his wife & Coll But Edmond Butlers being in Kilkeny, they came from the said battle to Kilkeny & tooke ther wiues & went to Tinihinch {whi}ch was about the beginning of May 1642 about which tyme { } Dorothie Reinalds married to one Kinsalagh dwelling att [Killairbirrie] within a myle of
<And being asked whither he speaking with the Lord Mount Garratt & pressing him to putt Sir Thomas Butler & his Lady to death, saith did not say that ther was but one way; protestants or papists one of vs must perish, which he denieth alledging that his actions were justified as much:>

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<L> Graige came vnto this Examinant to Tinihinch & ther acquaynted him that there were some English that lived in her howse & that they were threatned to be murthered, and desired his proteccion for them, which he gaue to her either att Tinihinch or her owne howse he knowe not well whither, and that he thinks John Stone and the rest of Graige were included in the said proteccion, being demaunded of what became of them afterwards he saith he heard that they were taken away by some of James Butler his servants and putt to death wherof <M> Gibbon fforestall Garratt fforestall & Dermott o Doghedea were some of them that tooke them away as he heard but whither they had any hand in the murther of them he knoweth not, being demaunded by what order the said persons were taken & driven away he saith he knoweth not; being asked wher the said servants lyved after the said fact he saith he knoweth not if not with the said James Butler, being demanded whither the said James Butler was then att home or not, he saith he knoweth not
Being demanded if he knew William Stone, he saith he heard of the said William & that he was a Carpenter and saith that soon after this examinante coming to Tinih{inch} from Kilkeny after the battle of Kilrush as <N> aforesaid, he had received Informacion vp{on} oath that the said William Stone should say {that} he hoped that the English would ere long co{me} that way which if they did he would be a guide {to} them to endeavour the ruyne of the Irish party & that he well know the country and that he did frequent { } which wa{s} {}

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and he heard
And being asked what became of the said William after such examinacions he saith that he heard that he <O> was putt to death and that Justly but whithe{r} it was by order from Collonell Edmond Butler who was present att taking the said examinacion or by his this examinants owne order he doth not now remember, or by any other order he doth not now remember and further saith that Luke Garratt fforestall & Dermott o Doghedea and (as he verely believe thincketh Luke Kinsola{gh} did depose & proov the Informacion aforesaid agains{t} William Stone, being demanded whither they were somoned by warrant to giue in Evide{nce} against him, he saith, noe but that they came in voluntarily
Being demanded what his this examinants power was in that county for given any orders (if any he gaue) he saith that he was Governor with Sir Morgan Kavanogh of the County of Catherlogh as aforesaid
Being demaunded (if he were Governor of the County of Catherlogh as aforesaid wher the said Garrold fforestall & Dermott Doghedea <P> & the rest of James Butlers fello wers comitted the murther why he did not apprehend & question & punish them for the said fact he saith that he did not know nor hear that those particularly were the men that comitted that fact vntill this 32 monethes, being further questioned, why he did not enquire (being Governor of Catherlogh within which provi{nce} they were murthered according to his duty after them, he saith that Graig the place wher they were taken being within another Juresdiccion he conceiveth that it did not belong vnto him but properly vnto others, & it was the out most limitt of his gouerment

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<his imployment requering his attendance elswher>
Being examined wher he was when John Stone and the rest were taken away, he saith he doth not know, but that he was att Tinihinch about the beginning of May as he hath formerly answered and heard not part icularly what tyme they were so taken away
Being demanded whither the said John Stone & the rest were taken away by his this examinants orders or not, he saith they were not
Being asked if he did know Mr Shaw the minister of old Laughlyn, he answered he did, and being further asked whither he knew John Mulhaly and Owen Birne sometymes Coroner of the County of catherlogh he saith he did and that they liue in the said County of Catherlogh but knoweth not whither the said Mr Shaw was plundered att the beginning of the Rebellion or not
And further saith not by the said John Mulhaly & Owen Byrne or by whom other in particular he knoweth not, and further saith not
Walter Bagenall
Taken befor vs the day
& year before written
D: Hubett
Hen: Jones
Ed: ffarrer
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Collonell Bagnalls
first Examinacion
August 19th 1652
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