Deposition of Edmund Spring et al.

Citation: TCD, 1641 Depositions Project, online transcript January 1970
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Date: 1644-01-08
Identifier: 810257r284

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1641 Deposition Item Type Metadata

County: Dublin
Deposition Type: Dublin Original
Nature of Deposition: Arson, Assault, Multiple Killing, Robbery, Words
Commissioners: Edward Piggott, Henry Jones
Deposition Transcription:


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Edmund Spring of the Citty of Dublin Gentleman [ ] John Doj{le} of the same Cittie Cutler Thomas Mason of the same Baker John white of the same yeoman George Caddy of the same yeoman Ann the wiffe of Stephen Cranwell of the same and Ann his wiffe yeoman Alice the wife of Henry Poole of the same farmer George Cooper of the same Butcher Tho: wilcockson of the same Gardiner Dennis Carrick of the same gardiner Elizabeth Quin of the same widow Tho: ffoster of the same yeoman & Tho: Thompson of the same yeoman gen{tleman} sworne and examined dep before his Maiesties Commissioners in that behalf authorised depose and say That since the begining of the present Rebellion: vizt before e nd o and in deed since the present Cessation of Armes was agreed on vizt the 18th day of September last 1643 betwixt 10 and 11 of the clock in the <A> foorenoone divers of the Rebellious irish Rebells vizt Captain Barnard Talbott Captain John Welsh now of Carnow Castle, and one Captain Birne came sudden{ly} with a troope of horse and about 2 companies of foote martched and came within muskett shott of the trenches nere saint Keavans Church in the suburb of the Citty of Dublin: And then and there (whenas they were not suspected to come) they being armed for the purposse did as suddenly forceibly seize vpon take and carry away 359 Cowes oxen & bulls or thereabouts & 29 horses and other thinges of the goodes of theis deponentes and others that were all inhabitants of the said Citty of Dublin or suburbs thereof or thereaboutes worth as theis deponentes are verely perswaded 15 or 1600 li. ster whereof the said Edmund Spring deposeth they then and there tooke and carried away with them of goodes xj Cowes and one bull worth xxxv li. ster <E Spring> And the deponent Edmund Spring further saith that by meanes of the presente Rebellion and since it began hee hath lost and bin otherwise dampnified in his goodes chattells & estate (besides the said Cowes & bull the summ or value of fowre hundred powndes at least and is like to loose the future proffittes of his howses worth 53 li. per annum vntill a peace be setled And that thestate late belonging vnto Daniell Wibrow late of Dublin Brewer deceased ( vnto wh om the deponent is Administrator ) within Dublin & the kingdom of Ireland is impared diminished & dampnified by meanes of the Rebellion nearely the summ of one thowsand powndes as this deponent is verely perswaded
<J Doile> And the said John Dojle for himself saith That the Rebells before named the day and tyme aforesaid tooke and carried away with them of his goodes (amongst the rest) sixteene Cowes and a bull one muskett with a snaphan{ce} a sword and belt & one broad cloth coate worth one hundred powndes
And that by meanes of the Rebellion present he hath lost and bin otherwise further dampnified in his goodes chattells and meanes the value of six hundred pownd{es}
<E Quin> And this deponent Elizabeth Quin sayth that those Rebells then tooke from her her Cow (being most of her substance worth 5 li. which she had to manteine herself her old mother {and} a child worth ffive poundes att the least {And}
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that she is further dampnified & hath lost by meanes of the Rebellion the sum of 4 li. ster And this deponent <{T}Mason 10 li.> at the least Tho: Mason deposeth that they then robbed him of fowre cowes worth 20 li. and is further dampnified by the Rebellion above 100 li. And the said John White further saith that the same Rebells then tooke and carried away of his goodes eight English Cowes which in respect of their proffitt and increase would shortly haue beene worth vnto him <{J} White 214 li.> 50 li. ster, And further saith That before that time and yet since the present Rebellion began he was robbed and dispojled by the Rebells of 52 Cowes & 4 horses more worth 164 li. And that William Meredith alsoe by meanes of this Rebellion was robbed & bereaved of 4 Cowes worth 20 li. And that Richard Kilshaw alsoe since the same Rebellion began and by meanes thereof was robbed and dispojled of 11 Cowes which in respect of their proffitt and increase would haue been shortly worth 50 li. sterling
And the said Geo: Caddy saith that the Rebells before named on the day & tyme aforesaid forceibly tooke and carried away of his goodes seven Cowes and 2 horses which in respect of their increase & proffitt that might haue bin, would haue bin quickly worth 56 li., And the said Geo: <G Caddy 176> Caddy before that tyme yet since the present Rebellion began and by meanes thereof was further Robbed and dispoyled of other Cowes & goodes and & had his howse burnd by the Rebells to his loss and damage of 120 li. more And this deponents owne father was about the 28th of July 164 3 murthered in his howse in News treete Dublin by the Rebells And the said Stephen Ann Cranwell and Ann his wiffe for themselues seuerally <A Cranwell 125> sayth That the Rebells before named on the day and tyme aforesaide forceibly deprived and robbed them her & her husband whoe is bly nd of ffive Cowes worth 25 li. ster And that some Rebells at another tyme burnd their howse in Newstreete Dublin & that they lost by spoiling of their orchard and in hay the value of 100 li. ster or thereabouts: And the said Alice Poole further saith that the Rebells before named on the day and tyme aforesaid forceibly deprived and robbed Henry Poole her husband and her of 4 good Cowes (worth in respect of their increase proffitt & value that shortly might haue bin made of them 30 li. And that before that tyme yet since the <{A} Poole { }95> rebellion began shee and her husband were robbed deprived of and lost by the Rebells 40 Cowes & 11 horses worth 100 li. hay worth 60 li. and howshold goods worth 5 li. and had alsoe their howse burnd & consumed with fyre And this deponent George Cooper further saith That the Rebells <{G} Cooper 60 li.> before named on the day and tyme aforesaid forceibly deprived and robbed him of 3 Cowes worth 10 li. & that he is further dampnified by meanes of the <{ }0> present Rebellion the summ of 110 li. And this deponent Tho: wilcockson further saith That the before named Rebells on the day and tyme aforesaid forcibly
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depriued and robbed him (amongst the rest) of 4 Cowes worth 20 li. <Tho: wilcockson 120 li.> and that by meanes of the present Rebellion he is further dampnified the sume of 100 li. And this deponent Dennis Carrick seuerally saith that the before named Rebells on the day and tyme aforesaid forceibly deprived & robbed him (amongst the rest of his neighbours) of Cowes <Dennis Carrick 30 li.> worth 20 li. and that further by meanes of the Rebellion he is dampnified the summ of 10 li. ster And the said deponent Thomas Thompson for & by himself seuerally further deposeth that The rebells before named on the day and tyme aforesaid forceibly deprived and robbed him <T: Tompson 2038 li.> (amongst the rest of his neighbours) of vj oxen one Cow, one bull & one horse all worth 38 li. besides his former losse of his estate by meanes of the rebellion amounting to 2000 li. Howbeit it quickly after by hazarding his life & expence of a good summ of money he recouered 2 of his worst oxen againe from them, vnto whom as it was said some of the Rebells had sould them: And theis deponentes John Doile George Kady John white Thomas Tompson & Dennis Carrick & Ann Cranwell further Jointly say & seuerally say That the Rebells before named instantly after the takeing of the said cattle & goodes vizt on the said 18th of Sept 1643 (after the Cessation of Armes agreed on as aforesaid) did forceibly & hastily drive & chase away the said cattle and goodes away along with them from the placs where they tooke them nere Dublin aforesaid towardes or nere Powersourt into the County of Wickloe & did murther and kill in their way one Nicholas Kerdiff a keeper of some of those cattle, And they maimed wounded and cruelly hurt divers other of the keepers of Cattle soe as they hardly escaped with their liues And theis deponents say that and Tho: wood the father Tho: wood the sonn & Raph Meyres & others or some f or them of them pursueing and prosecuteing to regaine their cattle los t were some of them vizt the said woods the father woods the sonn & Raph Meyres were apprehended disarmed imprisoned & revyled & som e of them had the ir Armes pynioned & basely vsed & intreated by the Rebellious Irish and hardly suffered to escape away with their liues and the Rebells gaue them very fowle threatening and opprobrious Language And this deponent Tho: ffoster saith That the said xviijth day of September the Reb{ells} < [ ] Tho: Foster 300 li. 42 li. 10 s.> before named (amongst other of his neighbours cattle) tooke & carried away of his and Nicholas Pooles Cowes good{es} 12 Cowes and heffers worth 42 li. 10 s. & the Rebells meeting the deponent cutt off his nose greivously wounded him in his head cutt off some of his left hand wounded him in and lamed his right leg & stabd him in [ ] divers {partes of} his body: And before that tyme the deponent was robbed by the Rebells at Powerscourt of goods worth 300 li. ster & s{ince he} was soe wounded he was in danger to starve for want of meanes & had not charitable people
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releived him hee had vndoubptedly perrished by his woundes and wants And theis deponentes John Doyle Geo Keady John White and Dennis Carrick And further sayth that quickly after the said Cattle & goodes were taken away the day aforesaid the most honorable Marquesse of Ormond the nowe L o rd L ieutenant his excelency sent one of <B> the irish Commissioners Agentes for the Cessation (by name Mr Geoffrey Browne after the Rebells aforesaid with a letter vnder his hand whereby they were required to restore the goods in respect of the Articles and termes of Cessation of Armes & hostility: which letter was carried along and deliuered by the said Mr Browne And vpon his comeing to the Rebells they confessed the takeing and haveing of all those goodes but withall sayd that three of the Cattle were killd the night before for the releefe of their souldjers: yet faithfully promissed and vowed to restore and send back all the rest to the owners of them and some satisfaccion for those 3 If their Counsell at Kilkenny should giue them such djrection And about 2 dayes after the Rebells sent back to Dublin 46 of the worst of those cattle which they had soe taken: & those that brought them promissed to bring the rest And further sayth That although seuerall direccions and orders came vnto the Rebell Captains aforesaid and their souldjers both from their Counsell at Kilkenny & Cashell to restore the rest of the goodes, yet they did not restore them but drove them further into the woodes and haue euer since deteined them notwithstanding the Cessation letter, orders and directions aforesaid: Soe as all theis deponentes are much dampnified and some of them with their familys & quite r[iy]ned and beggard And theis deponentes (as being encorraged by the Rebells said promisses and the said Captain Talbotts letter to redeliuer the said Cattle) haue made seuerall Jorneys into the Cuntry amongst the Rebells to the hazard of their liues, & expence of good sumes, And yet could not regaine any more of their said Cattle then as formerly they haue confessed
Edm Spring George Caddie
Thomas willcockson signum [mark] Johannis White
signum predicti [mark] Tho: ffoster signum [mark] Dionisij Carrick predicti
Jo: Doyle signum predictæ Annæ [mark] Cranwell
signum predicti Tho: [mark] Tompson
signum [mark] predicte Elizabeth Quin
signum Tho: [mark] Mason predicti
signum [mark] Annæ Poole
Jur [ 28o ] 8o January 1643
Hen: Jones
Edw Pigott
Cooper deest 653


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Com Cavan
Edw: Denman
Jur 27 Jan: 1641

Dublin
Edm Spring John Dojle
Tho: Mason John White
Geo: Caddy Ann Cranwell
Alice Poole George Cooper
Tho: Wilcockson Dennis Carrick
Eliz Quin Tho ffoster and
Tho: Tompson Jur viijo Jan: 1643
Intw

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Deponent Fullname: Edmund Spring, John Dojle, Thomas Mason, John white, George Caddy, Ann Cranwell, Alice Poole, George Cooper, Tho: wilcockson, Dennis Carrick, Elizabeth Quin, Tho: ffoster, Tho: Thompson
Deponent Gender: Male, Male, Neutral, Neutral, Neutral, Neutral, Neutral, Neutral, Neutral, Neutral, Neutral, Neutral, Neutral
Deponent Occupation: Gentleman, Cutler, Baker, Yeoman, Yeoman, Wife, Wife, Butcher, Gardener, Gardener, Widow, Yeoman, Gentleman
Deponent County of Residence: Dublin,
Mentioned Non-Deponent Fullnames: Stephen Cranwell, Henry Poole, Barnard Talbott, John Welsh, Captain Birne, Daniell Wibrow, William Meredith, Richard Kilshaw, Nicholas Pooles, Nicholas Kerdiff, Geoffrey Browne, Marquesse of Ormond, Tho: the elder wood, Tho: The younger wood, Raph Meyres
Mentioned Non-Deponent Roles: Mentioned, Victim, Rebel, Rebel, Rebel, Mentioned, Victim, Victim, Victim, Victim, Confederate, Mentioned, Victim, Victim, Victim