Deposition of Thomas Grove

Collection: Bysse Depositions

Citation: TCD, 1641 Depositions Project, online transcript January 1970
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Date: 1643-03-08
Identifier: 821056r032

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1641 Deposition Item Type Metadata

County: Tipperary
Deposition Type: Bysse
Nature of Deposition: Arson, Death, Robbery, Words, Lost By Debts
Commissioners: Philip Bisse, Richard Williamson
Deposition Transcription:


fol. 56r


870
Thomas Groue late of Rochestowne in the barony of Iff a & Offa & within in the Com of Tipperary gentleman duly sworne & examined before vs by vertue of deposeth & sayth that about the 1t day of Jan: 1641, & diuers thimes since the beginning of this present rebellion in Ireland, he lost was robbed of his goods & chattells, to the seuerall values following vizt worth 6790 li. part consisting of debts owing by
Of Cowes horses, mares sheepe & swine to the value of three thousand seau’n hundred and twenty pownds. Of houshouldstuffe to the value of two hundred & fourty pownds. Of money & plate to the summe & value of fo sixty pownds. Of Corne & hey in house & haggard to the value of fourhundred & fourty pownds. Of Corne in ground to the value of one hundred pounds. Of debts to the summe of o ne hundred and twenty pownds which ere this rebellion were esteem ed good debts but now become desperate by reason the debtours are papists and Rebells rebbells, as Tibbot Butler of Knocklough in said Barony gentleman James Walsh of Ragherhonane in said barony gentleman Tho: Butler of [Kehantime] in said barony gentleman James Butler of the Roushagh in said Barony gentleman John Butler of as vizt James Prendergast of Mullagha in said barony of Esquire Edmond Kriton of Ardfrimagh in said barony gentleman & therefore this deponent knoweth not any way how to gett any satisfaccion from any of them. Also he sayth that And by means of this rebellion he hath lost the benefit of certayne lease s , as of his lease of Goldenbridg e in said Com: wherein he had a tearme of twenty years t o come worth ere the beginning of this rebellion aboue the landLords rent two hundred pownds per annum, wherein he conceius himselfe damnifyed in the value of a thousand pownds. also of another lease of Rochestowne aforesaid wherein he had a tearme of one & twenty years, wort h aboue the landLords rent seau nty pownds per annum, damnifyed herein four hundred pownds: also of the two lease s of the ffarry, & the in the Com of Corke wher ein one he had a lease tearme of eighteen e years to come, worth aboue the landLords rent one hundred fourty pownds per annum; and of another, hauing a tearm e of fiue years yet to come, worth aboue the landLords rent Sixty pownds per annum; damnifyed in both these to the value of three hundred & fifty pownds. also of a leas e in of T ampullybricke & Shanakill in Com of Waterford, wherein he had a tearme of twenty nine years to come worth aboue the landLords rent fourty pownds per annum, which in which he is damnifyed in the value of two hundred pownds also of another lease of Cahirdougen in Com of Corke wherein he had a tearme of three years & u pwards, worth ere the beginning of this rebellion seaunty pownds per annum, damnifyed herein to the value of one hundred and sixty pownds: The totall of his losses amounts to the summe of six thousand seau’n hundred and ninety pownds. Also he sayth that a part of his Cowes & hay at Rochestowne to the number of fourty were tak’n away by Capt Tibbott Butler of Knockloughtough barony of Iffa etc in Com of Tipperary gentleman James Walsh of Ratherhonane in said barony gentleman & Thomas Butler of CastleKyne in said barony gentleman James Butler of the Roorskragh in said barony gentleman & John Butler of Cloghbrady in said bar: gentleman about the time aforesaid he also sayth that another part of his Cowes at Rochestowne aforesaid were to the number of twenty were tak’n away by James Butler of Durreluskane nere ffeather in Com of Tipperary ge Esquire about the time aforesaid he also sayth And that his horses, part of his sheepe & swine were tak’n away by the same persons that tooke away his cowes at Rochestowne at the time aforesaid. also his houshouldstuffe was tak’n away by the Lord of Cahir & his Company about the beginning of May last who also tooke away some of his horses, money & plate & Corne & he also sayth that the Lord of Cahir hath possesst himselfe of his said lease of Rochestowne, James Butler of Durreluskane hath possesst himselfe of his lease of Gouldenbridge. Richard Cushing of Cushingstowne gentleman hath possesst himselfe of his lease of the ffarry: He also sayth that on the first day of Jan: 1641, the deponent was beseidged in his Castle of Rochestowne aforesaid by Capt: Tibbot Butler of Knockloughtough aforesaid, Capt: James Walsh: Capt: Tho: Butler Capt. James Butler. Capt: John Butler, & their seuerall companyes to the number of 400d Rebbells who closely beseidged him for the space of fiue weeks. during which time he saw from out of the Castle diuers men of note oftn’ coming to & going from the rebbells, as Edmund Kriton of Cloghardin in barony of Issa & Offa & Com of Tipperary gentleman Tho: Butler of Ardfinnan offa


fol. 56v


871
<C> Barony gentleman Richard Butler of the same gentleman Peirs Peirce Inglish of Kloghnecore in said barony gentleman Morrice English of Ballmcdonnogh in said bar: gentleman Tibbot Butler of the Rouske in said bar: gentleman Robert Meager of Loughlougher in said bar: gentleman Morrice Kriton of Nicholstowne in said bar: gentleman during this seidge the beseidgers depriu’d the beseidged of the benefit of their water, so that was aboue two furlongs from the house; and so were releiu’d by sauing the rayne that fell vpon the leadde. in the meane time they came brought a sow to the bawne wall and hauing brok’n downe that they approached the Castle wall, but these of the Castle broke the sow [fierts?] with stone; vpon which these that were in it ran away; which afterwards, was cutt in peices & burnt while this seidge lasted <the rebbells would oft’n call those in the Castle English Doggs & rebbells and that they had a commaund from the King to take away all English mens goods that were protestants and then if they would not turne they would driue them ino the sea.> also a party of o ur men to the number of seau’n ishued out of the Castle, and notwitshtanding the enemy burnt the towne that was close by the Castle. and recouered the benefitt of the water; from the first to the last of this seidge; the deponent who commaunded in cheife lost neuer a one of his men, which was in all not passing the number of 9 fighting men; beside about 40ty women & children who in this while kill’d of the enemyes side to the number of about 30ty rebbells; whereof one was Capt: John Butler aforesaid. at Length after the burning of the said towne the ward draue the enemy away & who a after that had a little rest for the space of 5 weeks; after that they were beseidged the second time for the space of about 5 weeks also: by the Lord of Cahir & his company who commaunded in cheife, & one Capt: Prendergast of Newcastle nere Clonmell & his company, Capt: Patrick Gough of Geranagh nere Clonmell, & his company Capt: John Butler of Mullenone nere ffeatherd, all of the Tipperary with diuers others to the number of four hundred. during this time, hauing sent for releife to the Lord President, and other garrisons which were nearest to them in the Com of Corke; and neuer receiuing any ayde as also being debarr’d againe of their water were at Length we enforct to yeild vp the Castle upon <D> quarter of their liues & further he cannot depose that after he gott out of the said Castle of Rochestowne vpon quarter and was come to the L. of Cahirs house about Michealmas last with a Conuoy at Reoll in Com of Tipperary, there came one Richard Condon of Balleydur[gin] to say & sweare, that there came a letter from James Barry their comaunder in cheife of the Castle of Cloughlegh with Redmond Roches hand vnto it of Ballytindon directed to the said Richard & Capt: John Condon & others, that the Castle should be deliuered vp vnto them, and within 4 or 5 dayes after it was deliuered vp accordingly
Tho: T Groues marke
Jurat coram nob: 8o Martij 1642
Phil: Bisse
Ric: Williamson


fol. 57r


872

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fol. 57v


873

Tho: Groue his Exam
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Deponent Fullname: Thomas Groue
Deponent Gender: Male
Deponent Occupation: Gentleman
Deponent County of Residence: Tipperary
Mentioned Non-Deponent Fullnames: James Prendergast, Edmond Kriton, Tibbott Butler, James Walsh, Thomas Butler, James Butler, John Butler, James Butler, Lord of Cahir, Richard Cushing, Edmund Kriton, Tho: Butler, Richard Butler, Peirce Inglish, Morrice English, Tibbot Butler, Robert Meager, Morrice Kriton, Capt: Prendergast, Patrick Gough, John Butler, Richard Condon, James Barry, Redmond Roche, John Condon
Mentioned Non-Deponent Roles: Debtor, Debtor, Rebel, Rebel, Rebel, Rebel, Rebel, Rebel, Rebel, Rebel, Rebel, Rebel, Rebel, Rebel, Rebel, Rebel, Rebel, Rebel, Rebel, Rebel, Rebel, Rebel, Rebel, Rebel, Rebel